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	<title>Comments on: Watch: UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon criticizes G8 climate efforts</title>
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		<title>By: fj198602</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MFA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The G8 conference was a joke. The only thing it achieved was giving the Italian PM a place to hide out for a few days away from his various sex scandals. They couldn&#039;t even pass a no-brainer resolution like this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should-have-talked-redd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The G8 conference was a joke. The only thing it achieved was giving the Italian PM a place to hide out for a few days away from his various sex scandals. They couldn&#39;t even pass a no-brainer resolution like this: <a href="http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should-have-talked-redd/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should.." rel="nofollow">http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MFA</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/07/10/watch-un-secretary-general-ban-ki-moon-criticizes-g8-climate-efforts/comment-page-1/#comment-3225</link>
		<dc:creator>MFA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The G8 conference was a joke. The only thing it achieved was giving the Italian PM a place to hide out for a few days away from his various sex scandals. They couldn&#039;t even pass a no-brainer resolution like this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should-have-talked-redd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The G8 conference was a joke. The only thing it achieved was giving the Italian PM a place to hide out for a few days away from his various sex scandals. They couldn&#39;t even pass a no-brainer resolution like this: <a href="http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should-have-talked-redd/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should.." rel="nofollow">http://thestimulist.com/resolved-the-g-8-should..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: lighthouse10</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/07/10/watch-un-secretary-general-ban-ki-moon-criticizes-g8-climate-efforts/comment-page-1/#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>lighthouse10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mr Moon might have  a point, &lt;br&gt;but there is no doubt that emission reduction could be much simpler, and thereby easier to agree on!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sufficient first phase 2020/2030 emission reduction is achieved by acting on ELECTRICITY generation (coal, gas) and TRANSPORT (mainly automobiles) alone, since these 2 sectors typically (as in the USA) account for 80% of greenhouse gas emissions. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all else that’s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills for consumers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other energy sources), which give variety of choice and competition advantages for consumers, additionally reducing the dependency on oil imports.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. No trade problems: Unlike Cap and Trade, which involves cement, steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated countries, the here suggested electricity and transport changes are not just more limited, but also largely local. Since there is little competition between say utility companies internationally, &quot;best practice&quot; results can be compared and shared.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Funding and Impact&lt;br&gt;Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect on electricity bills or transport cost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Compare with&lt;br&gt;today’s all-encompassing Cap and Trade (emission trading) suggestions, with unpredictability, expense, and needless disruption from normal business practice on one hand, or unnecessary profiteering from free allowance handouts with little actual emission reduction on the other hand - together with extensive  -and unnecessary- regulation on what people can or can’t buy and use.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Understanding why proposed Cap and Trade is bad, in USA and elsewhere&lt;br&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basic Idea — Offsets — Tree Planting — Manufacture Shift — Fair Trade — Surreal Market — Real Market — Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs — Allowance Trading — Companies: Business Stability + Business Cost — In Conclusion&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Way Forward&lt;br&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceolas.net/#cc10x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ceolas.net/#cc10x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Introduction — Funding and Impact —No Energy Efficiency Regulation — A New Electric World&lt;br&gt;Electricity Generation — Distribution&lt;br&gt;Transport Power Generation — Regulation — Taxation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mr Moon might have  a point, <br />but there is no doubt that emission reduction could be much simpler, and thereby easier to agree on!</p>
<p>Sufficient first phase 2020/2030 emission reduction is achieved by acting on ELECTRICITY generation (coal, gas) and TRANSPORT (mainly automobiles) alone, since these 2 sectors typically (as in the USA) account for 80% of greenhouse gas emissions. </p>
<p>The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages:</p>
<p>1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all else that’s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction.</p>
<p>2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills for consumers.</p>
<p>3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other energy sources), which give variety of choice and competition advantages for consumers, additionally reducing the dependency on oil imports.</p>
<p>4. No trade problems: Unlike Cap and Trade, which involves cement, steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated countries, the here suggested electricity and transport changes are not just more limited, but also largely local. Since there is little competition between say utility companies internationally, &#8220;best practice&#8221; results can be compared and shared.</p>
<p>Funding and Impact<br />Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect on electricity bills or transport cost.</p>
<p>Compare with<br />today’s all-encompassing Cap and Trade (emission trading) suggestions, with unpredictability, expense, and needless disruption from normal business practice on one hand, or unnecessary profiteering from free allowance handouts with little actual emission reduction on the other hand &#8211; together with extensive  -and unnecessary- regulation on what people can or can’t buy and use.</p>
<p>Understanding why proposed Cap and Trade is bad, in USA and elsewhere<br /> <a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x</a><br />Basic Idea — Offsets — Tree Planting — Manufacture Shift — Fair Trade — Surreal Market — Real Market — Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs — Allowance Trading — Companies: Business Stability + Business Cost — In Conclusion</p>
<p>The Way Forward<br />  <a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cc10x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cc10x</a><br />Introduction — Funding and Impact —No Energy Efficiency Regulation — A New Electric World<br />Electricity Generation — Distribution<br />Transport Power Generation — Regulation — Taxation</p>
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