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	<title>Comments on: Tamara Stark: Don&#8217;t blame China!</title>
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		<title>By: Simon Leufstedt</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/05/05/tamara-stark-dont-blame-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Leufstedt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I do not understand your point. Could you please clarify your statement? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I do not understand your point. Could you please clarify your statement?</p>
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		<title>By: PetrF</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/05/05/tamara-stark-dont-blame-china/comment-page-1/#comment-3041</link>
		<dc:creator>PetrF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do care about the environmenr,  
but do not see  
 
&quot;green stand afainst&quot; nuclear energy, 
as described here: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://crossroads.cafebabel.com/en/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://crossroads.cafebabel.com/en/&lt;/a&gt; 
 
as justified. 
 
Am I wrong? 
 
PeteF </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do care about the environmenr,<br />
but do not see  </p>
<p>&quot;green stand afainst&quot; nuclear energy,<br />
as described here: </p>
<p><a href="http://crossroads.cafebabel.com/en/" target="_blank">http://crossroads.cafebabel.com/en/</a> </p>
<p>as justified. </p>
<p>Am I wrong? </p>
<p>PeteF</p>
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		<title>By: Greener China</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/05/05/tamara-stark-dont-blame-china/comment-page-1/#comment-2904</link>
		<dc:creator>Greener China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 10:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon. 
 
As a current resident of China, and green blogger myself, it is good to see a few people pointing out that there is a bit of a disconnect between what is going on here and China... and what is being reported. 
 
To some extent, I would say that both sides are playing the numbers so as to make their case.  The West looks at the gross number (total CO2), but fails to recognize that (1) a significant portino of this CO2 was outsourced to them and (2) that the per capita rate is significantly lower (20% of the West). 
 
However, that 20% (or 1/7) is also a bit misleading as well given roughly 800+ million people are really at the root of that figure, and the other 500 or so million are a multiple that could be at par with the West. 
 
In so far as Beijing having a higher level of commitment, or at least willingness to act, I would say that for making big investments it is clear that China has made a lot of strong moves lately and that these moves will bring real benefit to China.  However, it is important to keep in mind that Beijing has yet to crack down in any meaningful way at any level on polluters, or enable 3rd parties (like Greenpeace) to do so. 
 
In the end, I believe that China can teach the world a lot about making the big &quot;top down&quot; decisions, and learn from those who have an active civil society to learn how to foster the &quot;bottom up&quot; approach that has been very effective in educating citizens in the West 
 
r 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cleanergreenerchina.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.cleanergreenerchina.com&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.china-crossroads.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.china-crossroads.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon. </p>
<p>As a current resident of China, and green blogger myself, it is good to see a few people pointing out that there is a bit of a disconnect between what is going on here and China&#8230; and what is being reported. </p>
<p>To some extent, I would say that both sides are playing the numbers so as to make their case.  The West looks at the gross number (total CO2), but fails to recognize that (1) a significant portino of this CO2 was outsourced to them and (2) that the per capita rate is significantly lower (20% of the West). </p>
<p>However, that 20% (or 1/7) is also a bit misleading as well given roughly 800+ million people are really at the root of that figure, and the other 500 or so million are a multiple that could be at par with the West. </p>
<p>In so far as Beijing having a higher level of commitment, or at least willingness to act, I would say that for making big investments it is clear that China has made a lot of strong moves lately and that these moves will bring real benefit to China.  However, it is important to keep in mind that Beijing has yet to crack down in any meaningful way at any level on polluters, or enable 3rd parties (like Greenpeace) to do so. </p>
<p>In the end, I believe that China can teach the world a lot about making the big &quot;top down&quot; decisions, and learn from those who have an active civil society to learn how to foster the &quot;bottom up&quot; approach that has been very effective in educating citizens in the West </p>
<p>r<br />
<a href="http://www.cleanergreenerchina.com" target="_blank">http://www.cleanergreenerchina.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.china-crossroads.com" target="_blank">http://www.china-crossroads.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.green-blog.org/2009/05/05/tamara-stark-dont-blame-china/comment-page-1/#comment-2903</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your blog! I am working on a campaign to save the rainforest so I definitely sympathize with your cause. The good news is we can all do our part to save 100 square feet of the rainforest for free, just by clicking <a href="http://bit.ly/3IAahQ" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/3IAahQ</a> for more details. This is not spam, it is totally legit! Together we can make the planet a better place for future generations.</p>
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